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Mike Davis: Dude, Where’s My Revolution?

Posted by E!! on September 08, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada, National Convention, Ron Paul / No Comments

Every now and then an E!! reader-commenter deserves front-and-center for noting some aspect of a story I overlooked…or for seeing it in a new way.  Here’s Mike Davis quoting and commenting on a LV Sun story about the four Nevada Ron Paul delegates who ended up voting for McCain:

“Carl Bunce claims Gestapo tactics were used to coerce him into voting for McCain, but I found Lisa Mascaro’s article in yesterday’s Sun to be particularly revealing:

“Dyer said he and Bunce, who ran recently failed in congressional primary elections, want to run for office again. So they had motivation to play nice.

“When the roll call vote came, Bunce and Dyer forfeited their seats so two McCain supporters could fill the slots.

“Not all of Paul’s supporters are pleased. Wayne Terhune, the Sparks dentist who had helped lead the fight, said ‘they should have at least abstained’

“As party Chairwoman Sue Lowden announced Nevada’s 34 unanimous votes for McCain, Bunce and Dyer were at a concert a few blocks away.

“They were listening to Rage Against the Machine, the 1990s rock band that once offered a soundtrack for a generation of politically disaffected young fans.”

After all of the nonsense over the last 4 months to get these guys there, and when the vote finally goes down, two of the four delegates weren’t even in the building.

That’s frigging sad.”

(Mike Davis is the state chair of the Nevada Republican Liberty Caucus, a grassroots org for libertarian-leaning members of the NV Republican Party who are committed to advancing the Republican majority by recruiting and electing candidates dedicated to constitutional government, economic opportunity, and individual liberty.)

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Nevada’s Stalwart Ron Paul Delegates…Voted for McCain

Posted by E!! on September 04, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada, National Convention, Ron Paul / 4 Comments

UNbeLIEVEable.

After all the gripes, demands, curve balls and chaos out of the Ron Paul camp here in Nevada this past 5 months…starting with the attempted overthrow of the GOP convention in April and followed by a long, hot summer filled with bitter accusations, a rogue convention, various court filings, angry refusals to negotiate or cooperate, and a formal appeal to the RNC….

AND after being granted four delegates by the RNC – the EXACT NUMBER earned by Ron Paul in the NV caucuses and that was agreed to by the NV GOP way back when…what do you suppose happened on the floor of the convention last night?

All four “Ron Paul delegates” voted for John McCain.

What a colossal waste of time, energy, and money, for all concerned.

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Sympathy for Nevada GOP Chairwoman Sue Lowden

Posted by E!! on August 30, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada, Not Good, Ron Paul / 2 Comments

 

After carrying herself in a fair, patient, and professional manner over the past eight months, it seems Sue Lowden must now bear up under the label “inept” by the RNC Committee on Contests.  This tag seems harsh and unfair in light of the extreme difficulty and complexity of Lowden’s position this election cycle.

 

The real story – which is not one of party ineptitude but instead of the combative and unreasonable demeanor of one Mr. Jeff Greenspan – began early this year.  Greenspan, an official Ron Paul campaign representative with whom Lowden was working after Paul received 14 percent of the vote in our presidential caucuses, agreed that the Nevada GOP would give Paul 14 percent of the state delegation (equating to four delegates).  Lowden invited Ron Paul to speak at our state convention, and Greenspan submitted the names of four Ron Paul supporters to the Nominating Committee for consideration.

 

But on the morning of the convention, April 26, for reasons I have yet to understand, Greenspan went back on the deal with the Nevada GOP.  Instead of moving to an up-or-down vote on the delegate candidates pre-screened from the dozens that had been submitted for consideration, Greenspan teamed up with a Paul supporter named Mike Weber, led a floor “revolt,” and threw the convention into chaos.  How did they accomplish this?  By insisting on opening up nominations from the floor.  This resulted in some 287 new nominations for 31 delegate slots and 31 alternates.

 

There was no way the convention and/or state party could hear and vet 287 last-minute nominations in one day.  In fact, in light of the time it takes to hear individual speeches/pitches for candidacy, eat meals, take bathroom breaks, allow for interruptions, and take care of other necessary convention business, it is doubtful whether full, fair and proper vetting of 287 new delegate candidates could have been done in two, three, or even four days.

 

And so it was that the well coordinated, pre-arranged delegate selection process put in place by the party and agreed to by Jeff Greenspan turned into an unholy mess.  The convention fell apart.  And to outsiders, the process meltdown probably did appear “inept.” 

 

After the convention fell apart, Greenspan, Weber, and other Paul supporters like Wayne Terhune continued their crusade, doing what they could to impede reconvening and even holding their own unsanctioned “convention” in June.  Due to the boycott by the Paul people, the GOP was unable to obtain enough RSVPs to obtain a quorum for the reconvening of the official state convention.

 

This week the RNC Committee on Contests reviewed the matter, ruled that the Paul “convention” in June was unauthorized, rejected the “delegates” that were “elected” at that meeting, and recommended a compromise by which the Nevada Republican Party will replace four of the current convention delegates (which the Nevada GOP’s Executive Committee appointed last month) with four Ron Paul delegates. 

 

Readers will note that four delegates is exactly the number of delegates the Nevada GOP had originally agreed to include before Greenspan reneged on the original deal.

 

Chairwoman Sue Lowden has agreed to the compromise.

 

“It was always my intention and hope to bring the Ron Paul people into our party,” she said yesterday.   “In fact, I was the only state Republican party chairman to invite Ron Paul to speak at our state GOP convention.  So I’m more than happy to accept the compromise proposal from the Contest Committee, especially since it’s exactly what we had already agreed to last April.”

 

The matter is scheduled to move to the national convention’s Credentials Committee next.  If the Paul camp also accepts the compromise proposal, this mess will be at an end.

 

Either way, Greenspan and his minions owe Sue Lowden an apology for their antics and the tremendous amount of time and energy that has been wasted trying to work with them and around them.  And Ron Paul should dismiss Greenspan from his campaign.

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RNC Committee Says Nevada GOP Violated Rules

Posted by E!! on August 29, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada, Conventions / 1 Comment

Here’s a piece in the LVRJ re: the Nevada delegation the Republican National Convention.  

Seems the RNC committee decided that the Nevada GOP violated rules in its delegate election/appointment process.  I remember wondering about all this after the whole Ron Paul Rebellion thing and its aftermath…but I assumed GOP leaders knew what the rules were and that appointing delegates was ok.

Anyway, the committed has recommended a compromise, as I posted earlier this morning.

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Update: Nevada Delegation to GOP Convention

Posted by E!! on August 29, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada, Conventions / 1 Comment

From Chuck Muth via email:

The Committee on Contests recommended that the National Convention accept the results of the two congressional district elections at the Nevada GOP convention in April.  Those results give four seats to Ron Paul supporters and two others.  The remainder of the delegation would be selected from the Executive Committees appointments.  This is the BEST the Paultards can hope for at this point.

IF…the Nevada GOP accepts this compromise, the Paultards will get one less delegate than they would have had if Jeff Greenspan would have honored the deal he made with the party to take put five Ron Paul delegates on the official Nominations Committee slate of recommendations last April. 
 
But my understanding is that the Nevada GOP is objecting to the recommendation of the Committee on Contests and this decision will ultimately be made sometime before the start of the convention by the Credentials Committee.  The Nevada GOP has said all along that there were voting irregularities in those congressional district races and aren’t likely to accept the results of those elections.  So it’s still possible that the Paultards will end up with squat.

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RNC Panel Suggests Compromise Group for Nevada Delegation

Well this is interesting.  The Reno Gazette-Journal is reporting that an RNC panel has rejected both the “dueling delegations” from Nevada and has recommended that a  “compromise group” be seated.  This is the first I’ve heard of it.  Let me see what I can find out.

 Update: I still don’t have anything solid to go on, but it’s hard to believe the Nevada GOP would go for a compromise delegation…since that was already offered and turned down by the Paul supporters way back at the state convention last August. (dumb, Dumb, DUMB)

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Nevada Caucuses Revisited

Posted by E!! on August 26, 2008
2008 Elections, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul / 3 Comments

On the subject of delegates to the Republican national convention, a few readers (who don’t normally follow politics but are now perking up) have asked me what the stats from Nevada’s state caucuses were.  You can view them here

Romney got 51.1% of the vote; Ron Paul got 14.73%; and McCain got 13.75%.

 

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Nevada GOP Releases List of Delegates for National Convention

Posted by E!! on August 15, 2008
2008 Elections, Blogs of Nevada / 1 Comment

See Nevada Republican Party Chairman Sue Lowdon’s blog for the list of delegates and alternates that will go to the National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul.  She notes the delegation will be traveling with a Nevada-based POW from Sparks, Bill Elander, who, like Senator McCain, spent time at the Hanoi Hilton.

Lowdon:  ”In the end, I believe Nevadans agree that the path to prosperity now is as important as it was a quarter century ago, when Ronald Reagan advocated for peace through strength, lower taxes on our workers and businesses, and free-market principles to encourage ingenuity, economic growth, improved consumer goods and lower prices. This election, all of those same issues are up for grabs, and I believe Nevadans will help elect Senator John McCain as our next President.”

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Ron Paul Renegades Lose in District Court, Nevada GOP Finally Chooses Delegates

Remember reading about the unsanctioned state GOP convention in Reno and all the “disenfranchised” Ron Paul supporters a few weeks ago?  If not, the sum up is that a defiant posse of Paul fans held their own convention in June after the NV GOP shut down its April 26th convention because there were too few delegates to call a quorum.

 

When the NV GOP refused to recognize the gathering of Paulsters (also because there were too few delegates to satisfy party rules), Paul devotees said they would take their fight to the National Convention in Minnesota in September and/or that they would appeal their case to the RNC.  Then, in a move many saw as futile, the Paul peeps filed a motion with the district court seeking a preliminary injunction restraining the NV GOP from submitting its list of delegates for September.

 

The update is that the Second District Court sided with the U.S. Supreme Court precedent yesterday.  The court said Party disputes are best left to the Parties (and not to judges) and rejected the motion by the wannabe Ron Paul delegates from Nevada.

 

NV GOP chairwoman Sue Lowden now reports that the executive board of the NV GOP met last night to finish convention business.  The party’s 12-member board decided not to reconvene the State Convention and instead to accept the nominating committee’s recommendations for delegates.

 

Lowden says delegates were not asked which candidate they support and that the criteria for choosing involved consideration for a “fair balance throughout the state,” their service to the party, political recommendations, and military service.

 

National Committeeman Joe Brown, Committeewoman Beverly Willard, and Chairman Sue Lowden are automatic delegates under RNC rules. The remaining delegates will be notified this week and then submitted to the RNC for approval. Nevada has 34 delegates to the National Convention.

 

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Ron’s Rebel Force Fights On

Have you heard about the defiant posse of disillusioned GOP-ers that held an unsanctioned state convention in Reno this past Saturday? Organizers claim it was a lawful reconvening of the GOP’s recessed April 26 state convention in Reno (which was shut down prior to final voting). However, the party’s executive committee has set (and stuck by) a July 26 date to resume activity.

Depending on who you ask, the late April shut down was either (1) a tragedy of epic proportions because it was shaping up to be a national delegation with more backers for Ron Paul than John McCain, or (2) a proper procedural response because there were too few delegates to call a quorum (because the promised Ron Paul reps did not actually materialize on the convention floor).

State rules say roughly 800 total delegates are needed in order to obtain a convention quorum. We didn’t have them in April, and we didn’t have them this weekend either because the Ron Paul reps barely numbered 300. (And just for extra fun, we’re not sure how many of those delegates were credentialed since Paul organizers didn’t have the official delegate List with which to cross-reference attendees.)

Depending on who you ask, the Ron Paul backers (1) asked the GOP for the List and were refused, or (2) did not follow the proper procedure for obtaining the List.

Any-hoo, this weekend’s gathering of 327 was a pretty poor showing considering the Paul camp claims that they had “over 1,000” delegates teed up. Their response? The April convention did not have a quorum and was invalid – but this one counts because this weekend’s first order of business was to change the rules of quorum and (you guessed it) decide that 327 delegates was enough.

Ron Paul devotees say they will take their fight to be recognized as The Legitimate Convention all the way to September’s Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul and that they will appeal their case to the RNC and/or national convention committee. Many Paul backers have also said they will cast a write-in vote for the Texas congressman in November because McCain is closer to being a Democrat than a conservative.

They have my sympathy, as far as that goes, but all this Brouhaha brings us round to a familiar electoral quandary. Do you cast a principled vote for an Independent candidate who is closer to your (and your party’s) values but could also be the “spoiler” that leads to the election of the opposition? Or do you compromise and go with the safer bet to ensure we maintain at least some semblance of sanity in the White House?

In a swing state where President Bush narrowly won in 2000 and 2004, your decision could play heavily in the national election.

Your comments are welcome, because I’m still undecided myself.

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